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Prescription Foot Orthotic Laboratory Association

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Welcome to PFOLA's message board. Please feel free to discuss issues related to orthotics, pedorthics, and biomechanics with your professional colleagues.
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Subject Membership meeting / Boulder

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Tue May 9 2000 18:38

Author Mark Fugit
(azfugit@aol.com or azfugit@uswest.net)

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Enter your message here.
Friday May19th PFOLA membership meeting first session at 9:00am in the millennium room.
If you can not attend but would wish to exercise your vote, consider sending a proxy with a member that will be in attendance.
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Subject Biomechanics Conference

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Mon Oct 2 2000 16:55

Author Mark Fugit
(azfugit@aol)

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Promotion of the Biomechanics Conference via personal contact with only 5 weeks before the meeting is our best,last-chance opportunity to encourage our accounts to attend. Remind them that after October 6th the tuition increases $50 to $350. Please take a few minutes to contact some of your key accounts to remind them of this great meeting opportunity.
There is one speaker that is in need of a sponsoring lab, Dr. Mark Reeves. He is from the Northwest and would not be an expensive individual to sponsor. By sponsoring Dr. Reeves your lab would receive exhibit space at the conference, as do all the sponsoring labs of PFOLA. If you are interested please call Dr. Scherer immediately to let him know.
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Subject Sharp Shape AOMS users group

Date
Tue Oct 24 2000 12:21

Author Rudy Marchildon
(orthotics@precisionorthotics.com)

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Given the number of PFOLA members who currently use the AOMS cad/cam system is there any interest is forming an ad hoc users group. The upcoming conference in Vancouver would be an opportune time to discuss this option. any takers?
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Subject Effectiveness of FO from CAD/CAM system

Date
Fri Oct 27 2000 01:03

Author Elaine
(eng@hkstar.com)

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I am not a user of Sharp Shape's system but a user of another CAD/CAM system in Asia. I'd like to share the experience on the effectiveness of FO made by CAD/CAM system. Do you think the group will accept my attendence? Regards
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Subject Foot Orthotics

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Fri Mar 2 2001 16:53

Author Question

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Is this board still active?
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Subject RE: Foot Orthotics

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Wed Mar 7 2001 13:27

Author Question

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The board is active....however...it lacks active participation!!
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Subject Lack of participation

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Thu Mar 8 2001 10:53

Author LabMgr

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Maybe PFOLA should send out a notice to it's members that this board is available. The lack of participation may be because noone knows this is here. Maybe people would prefer an more private place to "chat" this could be set up pretty easily outside of the PFOLA site.
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Subject aoms

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Wed Oct 18 2006 10:55

Author brady
(bdestefanis@gmail.com)

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AOMS is the biggest piece of crap I've ever had the displeasure to work with. Oretek is even better than this subpar software. I feel sorry for anyone who has to work with this junk. Undocumented features, poor organization, a crummy plating system, numerous errors, lack of source code, plates aren't saved. Basically a disorganized mess.
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Subject PFOLA message board...

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Fri Mar 9 2001 16:15

Author Jay Skoog - PFOLA
(jskoog@rmsmanagement.com)

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Wow...three posts in one week! The message board has been mentioned in PFOLA's newsletter's...I will send out a message to the members asking for input about the message board. If folks want it "password protected for members only"...I can do that easily enough.
Jay
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Subject fabrication

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Wed Mar 14 2001 10:36

Author Noelle
(noellelannon@excite.com)

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Does anyone know of a good way to get spenco/neoprene top covers to adhere to the shell edge of an orthotic? We are currently using Barge adhesive, and will be trying colle de cologne. One person suggested using an open flame blow torch method to me before, though I doubt the results of this suggestion. I'm open to any suggestions! Thanks.
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Subject Fabrication

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Thu Mar 15 2001 16:30

Author Scott Becker
(jsb_ortho@msn.com)

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If you are using an abraded neoprene material make sure your shell is roughed up well, especially in the heel cup area. Use two light coats of contact cement (3M Fast Bond #10 is the best we have found) and do not stretch the neoprene when applying it to the shell. Some thick nesses of neoprene are not pre-abraded. In this case you need to lightly rough the non-abraded surface of the neoprene. Use a heavy grit sand paper and a firm backer (1/2” to 3/4" crepe) to maintain continuity between the sand paper and the neoprene. Do not push too hard against the sanding belt! Material will bounce and tear. Follow the same techniques as mention before. Good Luck!!!
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Subject Fabrication

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Tue Apr 3 2001 21:49

Author LabTech

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When using the 3M Fast Bond #10 contact cement, do you use it "as is" or do you thin it to make it easier to work with? If so, how do you go about thinning it?
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Subject Fabrication

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Tue May 8 2001 23:57

Author Scott Becker
(jsb_ortho@msn.com)

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No we do not thin the cement. Sometimes it is just the opposite. It comes in a little too thin. I have found some inconsistencies with the thickness of the Fast Bond but overall it's been a great product.We use two light coats on just about everything.
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Subject MDF

Date
Tue Apr 10 2001 16:04

Author Dave W.
(dave@northstarlab.com)

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Enter your message here.We burn ours in our back yard. Great bonfires for parties!
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Subject Effects of orthotic shell rigidity

Date
Fri Jul 27 2001 14:05

Author Chris MacLean
(cmaclean@parisorthotics.com)

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Dear PFOLA friends:
I have a question for you and it is more of a technical question pertaining to how anatomy and design issues can affect the functional performance of an orthotic shell.
We have believed for quite some time and have had confirmation from an engineer friend that several factors can affect the functional rigidity or stiffness of an orthotic shell. These factors include: heel cup depth, foot architecture and the addition of an extrinsic rearfoot, or forefoot, post.
For instance, if the shell material and thickness were held constant:
1) a fabricated shell for a cavus foot would be more rigid than for a planus foot; 2) an orthotic shell with no added components, i.e. extrinsic RF or FF post would be more flexible than one with added components; and 3) an orthotic shell with an 18mm heel cup would function more rigid than one with an 8mm heel cup.
Do you have any insight into the physics that dictates this performance? Do you agree with our observations? Are you aware on any research that has looked at the stiffness of orthoses on axial load, i.e. different shell materials, with and without post components, etc?
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Mac
Christopher L. MacLEAN, M.Sc. (Human Kinetics) Biomechanics Laboratory Department of Exercise Science University of Massachusetts-Amherst Amherst, MA USA 413-545-2906
Paris Orthotics Lab Division National Lab Service Marketing 48 East 69th Avenue Vancouver, BC Canada 604-301-2158 800-848-0838 (X15)
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Subject Finite Element Analysis

Date
Thu Aug 9 2001 13:25

Author Paul Langer
(paullanger@bigfoot.com)

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Hi Friends:
The information that you are looking for can be obtained by using software for Finite Element Analysis (FEA). This is a part of many standard CAD systems. Maybe someone at a University can do this analysis for you. All the features that you are asking about can be represented in a CAD system and then reviewed with FEA software. Maybe you CAD package has this feature.
Take care,
Paul
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Subject Re: Effects of Orthotic Shell Rigidity

Date
Wed Aug 1 2001 23:53

Author Phillip Hartshorne
(virtualorthotics@bigpond.com)

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Dear Chris, I have been thinking about this concept for a couple of years now. I have a CAD-CAM facility based in Sydney, Australia and we have been experimenting recently with a number of shell additions.
The options that we have been playing around with have been placing bars in the ILA, tapering the shell thickness from thicker at the heel to thinner at the distal edge, changes in shell thickness in different areas and so forth.
The questions that arise when you add something like a bar that runs parallel, close to the medial border of the orthosis to increase rigidity: 1. Where should you position the bar? 2. Dimensions of the bar? 3. What is the bar actually doing in terms of increasing rigidity?
There are a number of other questions that I can bring up, but my last point brings me to your discussion. If we don't have an accurate reference, then how can we really compare what a particular addition (or indeed an increase in heel cup height etc.) is effecting the overall physics of the given situation.
I haven't looked around recently for literature on this subject, but found little a couple of years ago. The only figures I do have are from the plastics manufacture saying what a flat bit of plastic will do (and I don't even have that with me at the moment).
Sorry for throwing more questions back to you than providing answers.
Cheers Phil
Virtual Orthotics PO Box 6032 Silverwater NSW 1811 Australia 61 2 9749 1038
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Subject RE: Effects on Orthotic Rigidity

Date
Wed Aug 1 2001 11:29

Author Chris MacLean
(cmaclean@parisorthotics.com)

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Phillip:
When you refer to the ILA is this the medial longitudinal arch?
In my inquiry I was refering to forefoot extrinsic posts (tip or corner) that are fastened to the distal end of the shell. My interest, similar to yours, is how does the addition of extrinsic posts affect the rigidity of the shell. We believe that the addition of an extrinsic forefoot or rearfoot post, or both, increases the overall rigidity of the device when compared to a stand alone shell with only intrinsic posting.
Thanks, Mac
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Subject orthotic rigidity

Date
Fri Oct 5 2001 06:52

Author Rudy Marchildon
(orthotics@precisionorthotics.com)

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Chris: I have been interested in this whole issue of material rigidity for some time, in addition to the elements that you mentioned having an effect I believe that the length of the overall foot has an effect. I have designed an experiment which I believe will allow me to refine what I refer to as "flexible", "semi-rigid" and "rigid" devices based upon patient weight, foot shape and foot size. I haven't at this time had an opportunity to complete the actual work, but my objective is to define the degree of deflection in the medial arch apex that would correlate to the above flexibilties. If I'm able to create these definitions then it would enhance the clinical outcomes for our clients. I will keep you posted. cheers Rudy
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Subject Effects on Orthotic Rigidity

Date
Thu Aug 2 2001 15:35

Author Phillip Hartshorne
(philhartshorne@bigpond.com)

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Chris, Yes, the addition I was referring to runs through the medial longitudinal arch and I agree with your observations that rigidity is increased with postings, higher heel cups etc. Unfortunately no data on hand to back up statements though.
I know there has been some study done on the effect of vacuum pressed orthoses losing shape over time, but what is the case when compared to milled (CAD-CAM) orthoses in terms of rigidity at the same thickness? Does a milled orthosis have the same rigidity as a new vacuum pressed orthosis? Basically how much of a factor does manufacture process play in the rigidity of a device and has anyone published any material?
Cheers Phil
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Subject CAD/CAM Technology

Date
Wed Nov 28 2001 19:26

Author Kimberly
(kgrout@hotmail.com)

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Hi, Our company is considering investing in CAD/CAM Technology. We are located in Toronto, Canada. I'm trying to research some software packages but am having a hard time even finding them. I would love to hear any opinions.
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Subject Floor Grinder

Date
Sat Dec 1 2001 15:47

Author Jarett Reinhartz
(jarett@footcarexpress.com)

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Looking for used grinding machines Supreme 500 (2 4" belts), Supreme 750, etc. Any advice would be great!
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Subject PFOLA Meeting Notice

Date
Thu Jan 31 2002 02:24

Author Jay Skoog
(jskoog@rmsmanagement.com)

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Dear PFOLA members: As was discussed at the Miami Biomechanics Conference, we will be meeting at the Midwest Podiatry Conference in Chicago in lieu of having our own separate meeting this spring. The reasoning was that a longer meeting would not be required and we would probably have as good a turnout by holding it in Chicago in conjunction with the conference. The meeting will be held at the Chicago Hilton on Saturday, March 9th. The meeting will be from 4:30pm to 6:00pm on the 4th floor in Room 4-D. We will also be having breakfast in that same room that day at 7:45am before the exhibit hall opens. We have invited our Sponsor Members to attend this breakfast as a thank you for supporting PFOLA. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me.
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Subject oem request

Date
Mon Apr 22 2002 17:57

Author tim taylor
(timothytaylor@charter.net)

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Do you any of you do custom manufacturing using J60 EVA materials? We need to work with someone who can modify and supply us with large qty items. Thanks, Tim 205-222-4922
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Fri Dec 29 2006 18:26

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Subject Skiing Orthotics/Footbeds

Date
Tue Apr 16 2002 03:44

Author Janis
(janiskw@hotmail.com)

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HI guys, Just a bunch of us her in Australia who ski & are discussing biomechanics & skiing & ski boots & orthotics.
Anybody specialise in this & want to give us some info?
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Subject skiing orthotics

Date
Tue Jul 20 2004 11:41

Author mike
(mike@southernski.com)

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Enter your message here.check out the Masterfit University site, they have a course in Australia each year. It has excelent info on biomechanics at they relate to skiing.
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Subject GRF shell Vs. foam

Date
Mon Oct 14 2002 15:47

Author Jeff Erenstone
(erenstone@hotmail.com)

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Hello, I am an Orthotic Practitoner student who is investigating the differences in Ground Reaction Forces in hard shell Foot orthotics vs. semi-rigid foam Foot orthotics. Does any one know of a study which exhibited these differences? Any leads who be helpful! Thanks Jeff
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Subject Sharp Shape - bespoke?

Date
Wed Dec 11 2002 16:17

Author Philip Wells
(pod@c1-one-orthotics.com)

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I am the pod for an orthotics company and am currently investigating the use of CAD/CAM orthoses. The main questions levelled at me by practititoners against its use, is that it is not totally bespoke. I need to know more about the system so that I can defend its use. Can any one help? Thanks
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Subject Membership benefits

Date
Mon Jul 7 2003 15:21

Author Richard
(cpedrich@hotmail.com)

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I curious about membership. Five hundred dollars per year seems pretty steep. What benefits come with the $500? Do you allow advertising, or provide referrals to a certain demographic area? Thanx!
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Subject Membership benefits

Date
Tue Nov 2 2004 12:33

Author Spencer
(OrthoSolutionsNY@aol.com)

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Membership benefits include newsletters, educational seminars, credit reporting services, listing and links through the PFOLA web site, and the opportunity to network with other members of the profession. If you are interested in further information on membership and its benefits, contact the association office at 1-800-347-6585.
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Subject Number of Orthoses Manufactured

Date
Tue Aug 19 2003 14:08

Author Christopher
(MacLEAN)

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I'm wondering if anyone knows where I could get an estimate on the number of foot orthoses manufactured in the US, annually. Perhaps there is someone who might be able to give us this information.
Thx, Mac
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Subject In need of custom molded shoe source...

Date
Thu Oct 2 2003 10:02

Author Jeff Dufault,DPM
(jrdufault@sig.med.navy.mil)

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Hello, I am a Navy podiatrist stationed at a small hospital in Sicily, Italy. I have a department of defense school teacher, 63 yo male. He has a PMH of BL club feet. he had surgery at an early age and has done very well despite being extremely active. He has finally reached the point where an accomodative insert with custom molded shoes would benefiot him. He is willing and has the insurance to cover this. i know of labs in California, however if anyone could suggest one on the east coast I would greatly appreciate it as this would save him money on airfare. Please let me know, Jeff Dufault, Lt DPM
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Subject In Reply To: In need of custom molded sh

Date
Tue Sep 14 2004 15:52

Author Richard Stess
(rs.sts@att.net)

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Molinari, s.r.l in Castel'Arquato Italy (South of Milan)is an excellent company that manufactures custom made shoes. I can provide phone number and fax if necessary. You can contact either Ivana Molinari or Enrico Molinari.
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Subject ucbl

Date
Tue Apr 27 2004 00:19

Author josh

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does anyone have any suggestions for molding ucbl orthotics so that there are no wrinkles in the plastic
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Subject UCBL

Date
Fri Oct 29 2004 19:43

Author Spencer
(OrthoSolutionsNY@aol.com)

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Hi Josh.
When you use your 3mm Subortholene plastic, make sure that you trim what will be the heel part of the plastic sheet rounded around the heel, and not square. This will reduce wrinkles. also, make sure your plastic is up at 350 degrees and don't take it out of the oven until it becomes almost clear with the heat. also, make sure that you do not lay too much of the material extended out past the heel. Use just enough material to get the heel cup desired.
Best of luck Spencer B. Weisbond, C. Ped., President Orthotic Solutions, LLC New York, NY
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Subject ucbl

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Tue Apr 27 2004 00:19

Author josh

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does anyone have any suggestions for molding ucbl orthotics so that there are no wrinkles in the plastic
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Subject Paediatric orthotics, criteria

Date
Wed Jul 7 2004 12:31

Author Mike McAlonan
(jomike@telus.net)

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I am a physiotherapist working with children through the child development center in BC Canada. We are trying to find some criteria for intervention. When to utilise orthotics in the treatment of flexible flat feet, in and out toeing. IN addition the type of orthotic utilised, heel cup height, wedging etc. Are there any research based guildlines.
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Subject Six Sigma Course Materials

Date
Wed Jul 14 2004 05:01

Author Six Sigma
(admin@ecinteractive.ca)

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Contained on one CD Rom are the course materials for Six Sigma Lite, Six Sigma Ultra and Six Sigma Black Belt. There is 4 weeks of DMAIC material, 1 week of DFSS (DMADV) material, and a 1 week refresher course. Additionally included are a number of templates created to make the tool use easier. This material is all in MS Powerpoint, Excel, and Word files. Along with a full version of Minitab 13, comes many soft-books and additional readings.
For detailed information please visit http://www.ecinteractive.ca/sixsigma
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Subject Platsic AFOs

Date
Sun Aug 8 2004 21:28

Author mike patsch
(tonygail14@msn.com)

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Enter your message here. I'd like to know if there is any research being done on new materials for AFOs that correct foot drop?
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Subject new materials

Date
Thu Sep 30 2004 12:38

Author Tom Pierce
(tpierce@kemmlerproducts.com)

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SHOCKtec is a new patented padding material that we manufacture. I'm not sure what foot drop is but if a superior padding is needed we have the best. We are a new member of PFOLA. Take a look at our we site. www.shocktec.com
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Subject Figure Skating Orthotics?

Date
Thu Oct 7 2004 22:28

Author Marie Smirman
(psmirman208548@comcast.net)

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I am an adult skater, not a pedorthic professional. I have been using the under-the-foot custom orthotics, which are NOT enough to stop "subtalar joint pronation"? (I'm out of my league here.) The feet roll to the insides regardless of the high arch support, I need some type of ankle bracing connected to the arch support INSIDE the boot. What would be a good design to discuss with my pedorthist? Please email me, THANKS SO MUCH TO ANYONE WHO RESPONDS! Marie psmirman208548@comcast.net
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Subject Figure skate orthoses

Date
Fri Mar 11 2005 13:31

Author Christopher MacLean
(cmaclean@parisorthotics.com)

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Marie:
It may be that you would benefit from having the skate modified with some type of canting/posting between where the skate blade and skate boot are rivoted. Please let me know what town you live in and I will see if I can get a resource for you.
Cheers, Chris MacLean Paris Orthotics Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Subject Masai Barefoot technology

Date
Sun Oct 31 2004 16:40

Author Ulrika
(inchx2@hotmail.com)

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I am interested in any comments about the above footwear and also any research or comparisons made? I am an undergraduate trying to look into the pro's and con's about this type of foorwear.
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Subject Masai Barefoot Technology shoes

Date
Tue Aug 16 2005 15:22

Author Anna L. Juarez
(aljuarez@zianet.com)

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I just purchased my first pair of the MBT shoes and was looking for folks that already own them and want to discuss them. I say that I just purchased my "first" pair because I love them and am ready to order the ones with the higher sole as soon as I get my next paycheck!
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Subject MBT shoes

Date
Tue Nov 2 2004 12:36

Author Spencer
(OrthoSolutionsNY@aol.com)

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I have several comments. Although I like the rocker soles of these shoes, the sole is not rigid enough to make the rocker truly reduce forefoot pressures. Second, the heel material is so soft, that a pronating foot will not get the medial support it needs. The soft heel material is there to simulate soft walking surfaces, like sand. the instable heel of the shoe forces foot and leg muscles to work to stabilize itself, hence the shoe is now called a "fatburner" My advice, save yourself the $200+ dollars and get yourself a pair of good orthotics. MBT shoes are a gimmick.
Sincerely, Spencer Weisbond, C.Ped.
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Subject MBT

Date
Thu Feb 15 2007 21:24

Author H cook
(hacook@comcast.net)

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I am always a sKeptic when it comes to somthing that seems really overpiced. I have bad knees and a bad back and was actually getting atrophy in my calves because I was not walking much. A 1/4 of a mile and I would be in such pain I would be done. I bought a pair four week ago and only take them off to sleep. I am 85% out of pain wearing my black dcasual shoes to work everyday. My calves have put on about a half inch in muscle and my back feel much better. I am buying a pair of sneakers this week. God bless MBTs I still think they are overpriced....
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Subject MBT Shoes

Date
Wed Apr 27 2005 20:36

Author Spencer
(OrhtoSolutionsNY@aol.com)

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After some testing, I now feel these shoes are more valuable than I first had somewhat harshly stated. I have a patient with very painful Hallux rigidus. She is trying desperately to avoid surgical fusion of her first MTPJ. I recommended she get the MBT shoes. Although the rocker effect was helpful in decreasing Dorsiflexion at her Hallux, there was still pain. however, I still had to make the rocker more rigid with a Carboplast Spring Lite Plate. The MBT shoes were beneficial to this patient and I will recommend them again. Spencer B Weisbond, C.Ped.
Orthotic Solutions LLC www.OrthoticSolutionsNY.com
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Subject MBT

Date
Tue Aug 16 2005 15:25

Author Anna L. Juarez
(aljuarez@zianet.com)

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I have been waiting 3 weeks for my new orthodics to get in and, in desparation, ordered the MBT shoes because I'd read on the Net about how they can help ease pain in the joints. Well, I love them! Generally, I can't walk in a shoe that has no orthodic in it but I can not only walk in these, I actually have less pain with just these shoes alone than when I use my current orthodics in other shoes. And I'm not talking cheap shoes either. MBT's are better alone than New Balance shoes are with my orthodics. Now, granted, part of that is that these orthodics are needing to be replaced but, still, I love my MBT's! I love them enough to have started a discussion group for MBT owners to share information at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/masai_barefoot_technology/
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Subject pain in feet

Date
Fri Feb 18 2005 15:29

Author joan Thomas
(vesjo@msn.com)

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Enter your message here.Hello.. my daughter is 39 and for the past 4 or 5 years has complained that she feels like she's walking on bone, that the tissue and or fat on the bottom of her feet is gone... is there any relief for this condition? I've sent her inserts of different types, even gel but they haven't helped... I hope you've come across this condition and have a solution... thank you, Joanie
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Subject Adhesives

Date
Fri Jul 14 2006 12:54

Author Jo Ann
(joeymagpie@yahoo.com)

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I'm in search of something that probably doesn't exist. An alternative adhesive -- currently I am using Duall or Barge for fabrication of my full length soft orthotic. My boss has asked that I attempt to find a non-flamable, non-toxic, no fumes adhesive. We need to go to a "bare-bones" lab, and he is not willing to spend the money on a ventillation system. (needless to say, I need a new job)!!
But, I advised him that I would investigate this matter.
Does anyone out there have any information for me? Any and all responses are greatly appreciated.
Sincerely ................ a 'lone' C.Ped here in Pittsburgh, PA
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