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Subject Kamilieriko/Zeimbekiko
Date
Sun Nov 7 2004 13:49
Author makis
(fotiamusic@hotmail.com)
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Here is my understanding of the relationship between Kamilieriko and Zeimbekiko... First of all, they are both in 9, so that's a common bond. However, if you break it down, you'll see that Kamilieriko is in 9/8 and is essentially the same rhythm as a slow Karsilamas. I'm going to use numbers with the accent beat spelled out... Hopefully this will make sense...
Kamilieriko
ONE 2 THREE 4 FIVE 6 SEVEN 8 9
A couple well known Kamilierika are, Ta Matoklada Sou Lamboun and Roloi Komboloi.
Zeimbekiko can get complicated... There are different discussions about the time signature here, but my firm belief is that Zeimbekiko is in 9/4 and not 9/8. And... you also have a few types of Zeimbekiko, Old Style and New Style and what many refer to as Aptaliko. Here are the breakdowns in eigth notes, again with the emphasis beat spelled out.
Old Style Zeimbekiko
ONE 2 THREE FOUR FIVE 6 SEVEN 8
ONE 2 THREE FOUR FIVE 6 SEVEN 8 NINE 10
It's hard to pinpoint Old Style. So many Zeimbekika started out this way, but over years, players have switched them to New Style... but honestly, if you go back and play them in Old Style you'll see that they are much sweeter. Examples, Aliti M'eipes Mia Vradia and Litaneia Tou Manga.
New Style Zeimbekiko
ONE TWO 3 FOUR FIVE 6 SEVEN 8
ONE TWO 3 FOUR FIVE 6 SEVEN 8 NINE 10
Think just about anything... O Paliatzis, Den Pao Pouthena, Svise Me Kyra Mou, Trellokoritso... the list goes on!
And some composers actually play mix n' match! Loizos did that with Zeimbekiko Tis Evdokias... It starts off in Old Style for the first line, then on the second line it reverts to New Style.
Aptaliko
ONE 2 THREE 4 FIVE 6 SEVEN EIGHT 9 10
ONE 2 THREE 4 FIVE SIX 7 8
Some examples of this are Aptal Havasi, hmmm... thus the name?... Barba Thomas and the classics Andilaloune Oi Filakes and Verhoules.
Now here's where the relationship between Kamilieriko and Zeimbekiko gets interesting. Remember that famous Ousak Solo by Hiotis?... the one that was also covered by Lemonopoulos? Well, if you listen to the Hiotis version, you think that after the taximi he's going into a Kamilieriko, but if you listen carefully to the rhythm, it's actually a new style zeimbekiko at a very quick tempo! It's crazy, but you can count out a Kamilieriko on top of it and it works!
So, I believe that a Kamilieriko, even though patterned more like a Karsilamas, would be considered to be a form of Zeimbekiko... and without a doubt, I have seen a number of manges dancing solo to a Kamilieriko, just as they would to any Zeimbekiko.
As far as the camel reference, I believe that the name came because the bouncy rhythm of the Kamilieriko is reminiscent of going for a camel ride in the desert... not that I'd know first hand, but so I've been told.
yia,
makis
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